With Corrina Lyndsay from Bird On The Hill Designs
Catherine Langman:
Well, hello there and welcome back to the Productpreneur Success Podcast. It’s Catherine Langman here, your host, and this week I’m really excited to be joined by Corrina Lindsay from Bird on the Hill designs. Welcome to the show Corrina.
Corrina Lindsay:
Thanks Cath, it’s good to be here.
Catherine Langman:
It’s super exciting. So Corrina, I know about your brand of course, but for our listeners, can you share a little bit about what Bird on the Hill designs is all about and how you came to start the business?
Corrina Lindsay:
Yes, certainly. We have been in business nearly two years, so we’re still quite a new little young business. We manufacture our own furniture paint. So we have an acrylic based mineral paint is one range, and then an all natural milk paint is our second range, and then we have a range of finishes as well. And we produce all of that in a rural New South Wales location.
Corrina Lindsay:
We do some of it on the farm in retrofitted sheds, that we have on the farm, and then we now have a space in the little town where I come from, which is Temora, and we have a little dispatch facility and a studio and so forth. I guess my business is probably a little bit different to some of your listeners in the fact that I’m not just selling a product online, but I also have that creative side of the business and I do workshops and all of that type of thing as well. So there’s sort of a couple of different facets to the business.
Corrina Lindsay:
I got started, it’s always been an interest and a bit of a passion. My dad was a very passionate up-cycler and he was very good with his hands and he taught me how to paint and do things from an early age, and he tinted paint professionally. So he also taught me how to do that.
Corrina Lindsay:
And it was something that I hadn’t ever really thought of as being a business, not more than a hobby, but we bought an old farm house about 10 years ago and it’s one of those that people say about old houses, “It’s got great bones, but it needs a lot of work,” and it was certainly that situation.
Corrina Lindsay:
So I thought painting up the furniture and making it a little bit lighter and brighter was a good budget conscious way of injecting a bit of light band character into the house, and that was where it all started.
Catherine Langman:
And so this whole furniture up-cycling thing is quite a big movement really, isn’t it? It’s quite a big group of people around, well, I’m sure around the world, but certainly around Australia who really get into it.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yes, for sure. Yes. I’m amazed at how much it’s actually grown in the last couple of years. It’s something that’s become quite commonplace now. It’s a hobby that a lot of predominantly women are getting into, and I think we’re all realizing that we can use stuff that we already have and not have to go out and spend a fortune on furniture in a department store, which is replicated in a large scale. You can have those beautiful unique pieces and you can paint them up so that they mix and match with your decor at home.
Catherine Langman:
Yeah. And I guess makes it quite unique to your own personality and tastes rather than being the same exact Ikea bookshelf that every other person has in their home.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yes, that’s exactly right. Yes. Because there’s some gorgeous old bits of furniture out there, and there’s lovely old vintage pieces especially, they paint up beautifully and they can become a really big statement piece.
Catherine Langman:
Yeah. And there’s such a trend going towards it. I remember when we first spoke that you were telling me how there were these really enormous Facebook groups of people who are just so into it.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yes, for sure. So there’s a couple of the groups that I’m involved in that have upwards of 10, and one of them well over 20,000 members in Australia.
Catherine Langman:
Which is incredible.
Corrina Lindsay:
And they’re very active.
Catherine Langman:
And so is that kind of how you got your foot in the door in terms of your business, tapping into those audiences, or did you have to go about it the hard way?
Corrina Lindsay:
No, I had to go about it the hard way. The groups are basically set up to support each other, share information. They’re not set up as a selling platform.
Catherine Langman:
Yeah, which is the case in most Facebook groups.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yeah. Which is rightfully so, and one day a week in one group we’re allowed to advertise our business or any new products or something. And a couple of them have sort of similar rules or slightly different where you can just share your page. So you choose a page, whether it’d be your Pinterest page, Instagram, Facebook, and you can share a link every week.
Corrina Lindsay:
But other than that, no, I’ve just been slowly building up my own social media pages and I’m getting into Pinterest a little bit more too, because obviously what I do is a highly visual thing, and I find one of the ways that I sell paint is to actually produce painted pieces and for people to see photographs of those, and that’s a really big driver. It’s a great marketing tool and it’s good for me. It’s great therapy as well on the side.
Catherine Langman:
Yeah. So what you’re essentially doing is you’re creating this content, this visual content of the pieces that you’ve painted yourself and you’re posting them on your Pinterest page and linking that back to your website. Yeah?
Corrina Lindsay:
Yes, yes, definitely.
Catherine Langman:
So cool. That’s awesome. So I obviously do not live in a regional town and when I started my first business I was living in Sydney, which is probably one of the biggest cities around. And there were a lot of resources that I was able to tap into that were local to me there to help me get that business off the ground.
Catherine Langman:
So I imagine in a regional town like where you live, and I know there are a lot of people around our country and probably internationally as well, who do live in regional towns and want to start a business or have started a business. So what did you do to get started and be able to start getting some traction with your website?
Corrina Lindsay:
I literally started this as a home based business. It was a sideline, I guess, initially. I always had plans for growing the business and where I want it to go, but at the same time, like a lot of people who are starting new business, they are very reluctant to completely give away any other source of income because it’s a bit of a non bulk quantity.
Corrina Lindsay:
So I’m a registered nurse as well and at that stage I think I was still nursing about three or four days a week and I’m still doing some now, but as you know I’ve dropped it down to considerably less hours so I could balance things out a little bit. And at the moment it’s not so much as an income support thing, it’s more just to maintain my relevance and currency in the industry.
Corrina Lindsay:
But it was a home based business and it was a bit of a slog, I guess Cath. It was that putting in quite a bit of time outside of your normal work hours, building up a bit of a social media engaged audience and networking with other people, like other friends that I had made through those various groups who were very talented furniture painters.
Corrina Lindsay:
A lot of people do this as a living, so they actually paint pieces of furniture and flip them, and they can make quite a reasonable living from that. Probably not so much in the smaller little rural towns. Having said that, there was a lady here in my town who it’s now her full time job and she’s incredibly busy.
Catherine Langman:
That’s amazing.
Corrina Lindsay:
So her and I partner up when we can. So having the ear of people like that who were very established in what they do, that certainly helped me in the beginning. I did a lot of reading and watched a lot of YouTube videos and tried to get my head around what an eCommerce website should look like and what sort of functionality I needed.
Corrina Lindsay:
And I look back now or I think back to the site that I first created using Shopify and just cringe a bit really, because it’s come quite a long way in that sort of not quite two years.
Catherine Langman:
Yeah, sure has. You’ve actually spent quite a lot of time working on making your website a lot more user friendly and so that it converts better and so that it attracts more organic search too over the time.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yes, for sure.
Catherine Langman:
Which it’s paying off. I mean all of that stuff is a longterm project really. It’s just you have to keep doing that sort of stuff all the time.
Corrina Lindsay:
Exactly, that’s right. You’re setting that time aside every week, a couple of days a week, to just looking at things with fresh eyes, I guess, and working out what needs tweaking or where you can work on SEO, looking at product listings and all of that type of thing that we’ve been working on as well.
Catherine Langman:
Yeah, absolutely. So just to kind of summarize a couple of those suggestions that Corrina has made so far that I think are really important to just shine a bit of light on. I really love the idea of all the strategy that you’ve taken, not just networking with people who are passionate about the craft that you essentially supply to those craftspeople, but the people who are doing it kind of as a profession as well.
Catherine Langman:
So they’re the artisans out there making money and that’s their daily profession. So it’s not just about selling to these people, it’s also partnering with them to help you create more content. So it’s kind of a bit like a big washing cycle.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it is. And then that’s helping me keep up with any current trends, because a lot of these people are actually setting those color trends and style trends and so forth within Australia, because they have quite large followings themselves.
Catherine Langman:
Absolutely. Yeah. Such a good point. And that helps you with your product development as well so that you can bring out different colors and so on. I think you have all other accessory type products as well that you can sell?
Corrina Lindsay:
We do, yeah.
Catherine Langman:
So always handy to have some extra add on products just as a side point there, because it helps increase your average order value. So let’s move on a little bit from your early days, because you have been growing and I would love you to tell the listeners a little bit about the recent promotion that you have done, because I think it’s such a fabulous idea and I would love everyone to hear about it.
Corrina Lindsay:
Okay. So as an extra group, like my normal Facebook business group, I created another group called our DIY Challenge group. I incorporated it in with our Easter promotion, and we had a month lead up. So we officially started the group one month before Easter Tuesday. So it ran for that 30 day period.
Corrina Lindsay:
And I invited people to join the group, and the whole idea was that we have regular DIY tutorials, and I led some of them and I also invited some of my very talented painting friends to come on board and lead some of those tutorials as well. And we did that on a weekly or biweekly basis, and it also became a very supportive little platform for these predominantly women to jump on and post a piece of furniture or something that they had bought or something that they had in their homes that they loved, but it just didn’t quite fit anymore and they wanted to do something with.
Corrina Lindsay:
And then we all helped each other work out how we could tackle those pieces. And their challenge was just to start and finish their piece in that 30 day period, because quite often, I don’t know about you Cath, but you start a project and then you get sidetracked and it sort of just drags on. So the whole idea of this was to get everything finished in that 30 day period, and it worked amazingly well.
Corrina Lindsay:
They all said it really motivated them. They really engaged well, not only with me, but with each other, and they enjoyed the process so much that they’ve actually asked me to keep the group going.
Catherine Langman:
That’s amazing.
Corrina Lindsay:
So we will do that. And what I did was have two little groups within the larger group, and the one we called Wonder Novices. So they are the sort of newbies to furniture painting. And then we had the Super Divas who were the people who have done a little bit of painting before or they sort of painted to sell.
Corrina Lindsay:
And we had prizes for each of those groups, and then I invited three of my professional painting friends to help me judge the entries at the end. And look, it was really good fun. I mean obviously the benefit with me was creating new, very engaged customers, but it was also a really enjoyable process for me as well. And I’ve now got this lovely little group of women who are all very… They all communicate within both of of my groups now. So it’s worked really well.
Catherine Langman:
So they’re really quite avid brand fans really?
Corrina Lindsay:
They are, yes. Great advocates, and the conditions to entry was that they had to subscribe to the mailing list, so it was also at least building [crosstalk 00:14:22] as well.
Catherine Langman:
Ah, so you’ve grown your email list, you’ve taught people how to use the products and helped them through getting a project done. So you’ve increased demand for the products, and then at the end, I think you launched into a sales promotion for Easter.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yes, we did. So we had a promotion at the end to sort of wrap everything up with Easter.
Catherine Langman:
Yeah. So such a great strategy for really covering off several marketing objectives all at once there. Do you think that you will continue to grow this group over time?
Corrina Lindsay:
I’m hoping so. I’ve still got people who are asking to join. And when we do the little tutorials, I advertise that on my other social media as well. So I pop a little slideshow or a little mini video up about what we’ll be covering in the DIY group for them to see all of that content, to watch the full video and get to engage in the question and answer type posts that we have, they have to become members of the group.
Catherine Langman:
So good. So, so, so good. I love it. So you’re getting all of this extra engagement on your main pages and you’re growing your email list so that you can continue marketing to them over time, but you’re also basically cultivating this amazingly warm audience of brand advocates who aren’t going to just buy your stuff and use your stuff, but they’re going to recommend your products as well to other people.
Corrina Lindsay:
Hopefully.
Catherine Langman:
I’m sure they will if they’re having a good experience in there. So really, really love that kind of strategy. And I think that this sort of an idea can work so well for lots of different businesses. It’s probably not going to suit every single type of product for sure, but I think that a lot of eCommerce businesses can fall into the trap of creating a Facebook group that exists purely just to promote your discounts and new products and stuff like that.
Catherine Langman:
Whereas that’s not a particularly engaging strategy to use for building up an audience, whereas if you can find ways to really engage with your audience and teaching them how they can use your products in different ways. I’ve had a couple of other clients in the past who do have very different products, so one that I’m thinking of has active wear, so they’re in fashion, but their Facebook group, obviously they’re going to sell product through their Facebook group, but it exists more to just really educate and support and motivate those women to get active and have a fitness routine and all of that sort of stuff.
Catherine Langman:
So there’s lots of different ways that if you can put your thinking cap on, depending on your product, that you can really create content that is something that your audience is going to want to engage with and consume and that helps them to have a better experience using your product, so that you’re helping them have a better experience and you’re building your business in the same way, or in the same strategy. So that’s really cool.
Catherine Langman:
So let’s go back to your business journey. I’m sure that you have tried various things, so maybe some things have worked and some things haven’t worked. This might put you on the spot a little bit, but can you think of something where you really gave something a go and it was just a really terrible result and something that you would really advocate people avoid trying themselves? I know, I can talk-
Corrina Lindsay:
I don’t know if I can think. I know, it’s tricky because I’ve tried lots of things and I don’t think anything’s been a complete resoundingly flop, but there have been a lot of things that you think, gosh, you put an awful lot of time and effort into doing it and it didn’t quite get the results or anywhere near the results that you hoped it would.
Corrina Lindsay:
I guess all of these are learning experiences, aren’t they? You walk away sort of knowing what you can tweak next time.
Catherine Langman:
Yeah, totally.
Corrina Lindsay:
I think to me one of the biggest journeys that I’ve made is, and I’ve certainly got a long way to go, but working out a little bit more what type of content my audience is looking for in regards to email, and what sort of content I need to give them and how to craft all of those.
Corrina Lindsay:
And it was all very clunky and very factual when I first started, and I was using a different platform and I’ve swapped over now to Klaviyo, which is wonderful and I’m still learning that there’s so much functionality on there that I can tap into, it’s not just writing and sending off an email. That sort of, it’s becoming easier for me now and I’ve got a much better idea around how I can utilize that form of marketing in my overall marketing and promotions calendar.
Corrina Lindsay:
And I think I told you last week that my email sales have just gone up exponentially in the last couple of months, which is great.
Catherine Langman:
That’s amazing. So you’re using a bit of a combination, I’m sure, of automated emails as well as your newsletter style emails. And then I guess you’re also using emails probably a bit more proactively when you’re doing a big promotion or a product launch.
Corrina Lindsay:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). For sure.
Catherine Langman:
And I know you wholesale as well. Are you doing email marketing out to that audience as well?
Corrina Lindsay:
No, I’m just starting to get there. We’ve just finished loading up and automating the online sales for the wholesale group. So that all is automated as it possibly can be to take some of the work away from me. So then that will be linked up to Klaviyo as well so that I’ll be able to do direct selling to my retailers group through that platform.
Catherine Langman:
Fabulous. So good. I don’t know if you know the breakdown of revenue per marketing channel for yourself, but I was talking to another client the other day who said that, and she’s also a recent convert to email marketing and Klaviyo specifically, and she said that she made 35% of her revenue for the month was from email marketing, which if you are not yet a convert to email marketing, you’ve got to really think about the fact that that’s essentially free marketing.
Corrina Lindsay:
For sure. It is. And that’s where we’re up to at the moment. My husband help me nearly full time in this business now as well. And he’s just blown away by the fact that Klaviyo costs this much a month and yet we can make that much money off it as other forms of advertising that are triple or quadruple the input.
Catherine Langman:
Totally. So for anyone who is still on the fence about forking out some cash for Klaviyo, because I know it’s not the cheapest. I mean there’s free options for email marketing out there of course, but Klaviyo is so well designed for eCommerce. It really is purpose built for eCommerce.
Catherine Langman:
And if you can make, I think the recent stat that I found for 2020, which is of course when we’re recording this podcast, that email marketing still generates 3,800 so 3,800% return on investment. So that’s a pretty nice return compared to the cost of the platform in the first place.
Corrina Lindsay:
Definitely.
Catherine Langman:
So everyone needs to get on it is the moral of that story.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yep. I know now, my first campaign of every month I look at it and go, “Okay, so in my first two sales I’ve more than just covered my costs for Klaviyo for the month, so everything after that is just icing on the cake basically.
Catherine Langman:
Yeah. Wow. That’s so good. That’s awesome, which of course you would only know if you are actually looking at those numbers.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yes.
Catherine Langman:
So let’s go back to your journey as a business owner living and operating from a regional town, and you have grown quite a bit in this past year and I know that you are growing a team now as well. Would you like to share a little bit of detail around that? I think you mentioned before we started recording that you have lifted your eyes a little bit higher and grown the scope of your vision a little bit more.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yeah. As I said, I guess I always had a vision for what I wanted my business to be. And I think with most small business owners, you’re very careful about what you spend and what you do in that first couple of years while you’re still finding your feet. I kept thinking-
Catherine Langman:
It can be scary to invest a little bit too, can’t it?
Corrina Lindsay:
Yeah, sure. And I kept thinking, “Look, at some stage I’m going to need staff.” That’s okay, that’s great, this is probably the type of things that I will need staff for, but I just always never thought that I was quite there yet.
Corrina Lindsay:
And it was around the Christmas period when we saw a fairly steep growth in sales, and all of a sudden pretty much all of my day was spent sorting through orders and packing and dispatch and running backwards and forwards to the post office and doing all of that type of thing.
Corrina Lindsay:
So I was really spending long hours, out of hours, at work because I didn’t have that time during the day. And that was the turning point where went, “Right, we’ll we’ve reached that tipping point.”
Catherine Langman:
That’s not sustainable.
Corrina Lindsay:
I still need to get all of the other stuff done, so obviously it was a better use of my time to be looking after that end of the business and having someone help. So my first two staff members have been employed to help with that sort of packing and dispatch, stock taking, and then I’m hoping to either grow their role or have a third person who can help with things like more sort of PA type things like helping to manage emails and ordering, invoicing, that type of thing as well.
Catherine Langman:
Yep. Because you would have a fair bit of that sort of sales admin related stuff for your wholesale side as well as I guess customer service?
Corrina Lindsay:
Yeah. That’s what I’m hoping that popping that all over onto the Shopify platform means that it saves me having to manually do up invoices, inventory tracking and all of that type of things for my wholesale customers. And it’s all integrated into the one platform, and it also means that the follow-up to them is all automated then through the Klaviyo flows.
Catherine Langman:
Yep. Love it. So how did you decide what jobs to hire for first?
Corrina Lindsay:
I think it was just the wading through boxes and packaging and packing slips, and thinking that was probably the easiest positions for me to fill, and just looking at part-time or casual positions to begin with.
Corrina Lindsay:
And being in a small regional town, it’s not that there’s not a great pool of people here, but looking at people who would like to do that type of job. So without sort of stereotyping, I’ve got two women who have school aged children. So apart from the fact that we’re all homeschooling at the moment, it’s normally because they can drop the kids off.
Corrina Lindsay:
I’m obviously very flexible with the hours and they just pop in about 10:00 AM in the morning and then they just stay usually till about 2:00 or 3:00, and there’s either one or two of them, depending on the day. And they just work through all of that and leave me to do whatever it is I need to do.
Catherine Langman:
Yeah. And so that frees you up really to focus on the activities that will actually drive the growth.
Corrina Lindsay:
For sure.
Catherine Langman:
So the marketing and the planning and creating that content for your audience.
Corrina Lindsay:
And having the time to paint.
Catherine Langman:
Exactly. Because if you’re not doing that, then it’s very difficult for you to really keep growing and selling, because that’s such an integral part.
Corrina Lindsay:
It is. For sure. I don’t have content, the images for the marketing, if I don’t get in and do that myself.
Catherine Langman:
No. Yeah. And it’s such an important thing for every product business really these days, is to have that continuous stream of content. And most of it’s going to be visual really, but that is really inspiring your audience more to keep needing to buy from you. But in your case it’s inspiring them to create, to do these different projects and use the different products in this way and that way, and to have the creative ideas and show them how to do it.
Corrina Lindsay:
For sure.
Catherine Langman:
So good. So if someone came to you who was a little bit, maybe in the same position you were a couple of years back and was looking for a little bit of advice on how to start and grow a product based business from a regional town, what would you recommend?
Corrina Lindsay:
I would say looking at networking. So even though a very small amount of my sales come from the local area, because we sell obviously all over Australia, but it’s still been a really important thing for me to network with other local business owners and to get their support and their experience.
Corrina Lindsay:
I’ve got a couple who I’d call my mentors, I guess, and they’ve been pivotal in me learning how to run a business that isn’t just an eCommerce business. Because as I said, I have that flip side of the business where there’s a physical presence as well. And also then it helps if I can give business back to other local business owners, that word of mouth things certainly kicks in at the same time.
Catherine Langman:
Absolutely.
Corrina Lindsay:
So now I’ve got a contract with a little local lady who grows her own flowers, a floristry. So I use her a lot for my staging and workshops and that type of thing.
Catherine Langman:
Fabulous.
Corrina Lindsay:
Food and lots of other projects and bits and pieces that we buy locally, we try and source as much as we can. So that’s been really important for me having that, I guess, good relationship with other small business owners in a small country town.
Catherine Langman:
And I’m sure you would get the word of mouth referrals back from them as well at any opportunity?
Corrina Lindsay:
Yep, definitely. For sure. And I think the other thing is just, as you and I have discussed quite a few times in the past, sort of looking at how you can outsource the things that you know are going to be quite difficult for you, or are so time consuming that it’s taking away from those important aspects of your business that you’re not working on because you get bogged down in a lot of that stuff.
Corrina Lindsay:
And that’s been something that, again, I always knew that I wanted to do, but I was always worried that I was not established yet enough to spend the money to do that. Getting past that barrier, I think, has really been the tipping point for me. It was when we started seeing some really decent growth in the business was when I started looking at outsourcing a lot of those things. And I think the third thing and just as importantly for eCommerce businesses, is that automating as much as you can.
Catherine Langman:
Yes!
Corrina Lindsay:
Just using all of these amazing integrations and platforms that are out there, and automating whatever you can.
Catherine Langman:
Definitely, because that certainly takes some of the onus of having to do things manually, either yourself or paying other people to do those things for you. So love that. And thank you for shining a light on that one, because it is one of my favourites.
Catherine Langman:
But for those people who are maybe still feeling a little bit early on in your journey, but feeling like you’re absolutely at your physical limit of what you can manage to do and feeling like you’re a bit of a bottleneck to your own business growth, that’s a pretty strong indication that you need to get some help in. Whether that is through outsourcing or hiring some casual staff, like you’ve done Corrina.
Catherine Langman:
And so if you’re puzzled about how to go forward or just feeling not really confident about how to move forward from there, just do a quick task that I try and recommend most people do is for a week or a few weeks, keep a bit of a time sheet, I guess, but just literally writing down what tasks you’re doing and how long you’re spending time doing them. And then kind of need to be really honest with yourself, are those tasks, are they actually growth generating tasks or not?
Catherine Langman:
And so I like to classify tasks as low dollar an hour tasks or medium dollar an hour tasks or high dollar an hour tasks. And the way you break them into those different classifications is what impact on the business’s growth do those tasks happen? And so a prime example is order fulfillment. Picking and packing the products for each order, it’s an absolutely essential task to happen in an eCommerce business, and obviously if that task doesn’t get done, there is not an eCommerce business, but it’s not a high dollar an hour task.
Catherine Langman:
You’re better off spending that time creating the marketing and the sales strategies and whatever other things that you need to do in the business to actually drive the sales and drive that growth, which is exactly what Corrina has done in this instance. So best way to start is just keep some notes and try and figure out what tasks need to be done and whether they are high growth, medium growth or low growth sort of tasks. And then you can outsource those lower dollar an hour tasks to begin with.
Corrina Lindsay:
I’ve got a little kikki.K, one of those rip off the page when you’re finished with it type sheets, and it has like your big rock one, big rock two, that type of thing, with you attach the the time that you think it should take you to do those tasks.
Corrina Lindsay:
And then you get to the end and you can have a look at the total time that you need and the total time that you’ve got available, and then you can go back and trim. And then obviously look at, I predicted it would take me half an hour to do something and it actually took me an hour and a half. What went wrong? So that’s been really useful.
Catherine Langman:
Yeah, that is good. And then I guess probably you get better at predicting your time requirements over time.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yep. A bit more realistic.
Catherine Langman:
Totally. Yeah, I love it. So that’s been some really awesome ideas and strategies that you’ve been able to share with us today Corrina, so I really appreciate you joining us on the show. Before we finish off, I need to ask you to share your web address and your social media handles, because I’m sure that some of the listeners will be really keen to go and check it out.
Corrina Lindsay:
Okay, thank you. We’re just http://www.birdonthehill.com.au. Our Facebook page is birdonthehilldesigns and Instagram is just birdonthehill, and Pinterest is birdonthehilldesigns as well.
Catherine Langman:
Fantastic. So I will link to all of those pages on our podcast show notes, so it will be very easy for everyone to go and find that and go and check you out. And I’m sure that there’ll be several crafty people in our audience who will be pretty keen to go and take a look at what you’re all about and join one of those groups.
Corrina Lindsay:
It’s a great time at the moment to launch into a couple of projects at home.
Catherine Langman:
Exactly, because we’re all stuck at home needing something to do. This is a pretty good alternative to Netflix, I think.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yes.
Catherine Langman:
Awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining us on the show today. I’m just going to give a quick shout out as well for our my rockstar Productpreneur Facebook group. So if you are a product based business, whether you’re an eCommerce store or you’re a brand owner or distributor and you’re looking for other likeminded people to support you through that journey, and some marketing and sales experts to answer questions, then definitely go and join our group as well.
Catherine Langman:
We’ve got some get started training units in there and we have live Q&A sessions and stuff like that. So I’ll link to that in the show notes as well, but you can easily find it at catherinelangman.com/rockstar. So that is it for today’s episode. And again, thank you Corrina for joining us today.
Corrina Lindsay:
Yeah, thanks Cath for having me along. It’s been great. Thank you.
Catherine Langman:
Awesome.